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in november of 2003 donald factor and william van-den-heuvel (under the collaboration of franis engel), very much in a fascist re/action, putsched against the former david bohm dialogue group that at this point was running for about 6 years ~ without rules, without rulers, without a set agenda, without dialogue-cops .... very much the way described by david bohm in his work, in particular his book "on dialogue" (by routledge). by "putsched" i mean: they, who were holding what was thought to be a merely technical function as "administrators", used their godog-server "power" and forcefully closed the group against the outspoken will of the vast majority of the active members. first factor and heuvel pulled the plug on the (public) archive, then they closed the subscriber-list and finally, since that did not seem to satisfy their longing to shut un/certain thoughts/thinkgs/thinkgers out of the dialogue process, they closed the forum itself ~ period. just to replace the former un-moderated list shortly after with a "new" moderated one; meaning, all the posts there need henceforth the approval of the "moderator", don factor. this in itself would be bizzare enough, considering bohm's dialogue proposal. it is even more so since at least one of the diablockers, namely don factor, 's among the "fathers" of the original open-structered open-minded un-moderated dialogue idea. as the german saying goes: "man hat ja schon pferde kotzen gesehen" ~ peter krauss, nyc, december 2003 ... david bohm ... saral bohm ... don factor ....... (picture from "infinite potential ~ the life and times of david bohm", by f david peat, helix books, 1997) ps: david bohm, peter garrett and donald factor wrote years ago a paper titled "Dialogue - A proposal" From: "dialogue-admin@david-bohm.net" don factor Reply-To: dialogue@david-bohm.net don factor Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:04:38 +0100 (Westeuropäische Normalzeit) To: Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] restarting the list The list is about to be restarted as a moderated list. This is a new experience to all of us and we'll see how it goes. Don Factor has kindly agreed to be moderator. When you resubscribe you will be send the following welcome message: Just to fill you in and make certain that you agree with the approach we are taking, let me mention what this group is for and what it isn't for: It is intended as a place where we can inquire together into David Bohm's proposals regarding dialogue, the process of thought, wholeness and other aspects of his philosophical work. Our intention is to explore his theories, set them alongside other approaches and attempt to find out how we might proceed from where he left off. It is not intended as an on-line dialogue but rather an on-line group exploration to be conducted in the spirit of dialogue. Unlike the previous group and unlike face-to-face dialogue groups it will be moderated. That is the moderator will be available to do whatever he or she feels is necessary to keep the process on course. The moderator will be able to delete messages that are felt to be inappropriate and to 'unplug' any participant who persists in disrupting what we hope will be an exercise in the creative exploration of a complex body of work that we feel may have potential importance for the future of all of us. Unfortunately we have found it necessary to handle the list in this way based on more than ten years of experience struggling with unmoderated groups. If you feel unhappy to participate with us under these terms please unsubscribe again. Thanks Don Factor, william van-den-heuvel, franis engel ~ november 2003 for and on behalf of the organizers As already indicated, we will now all be unsubscribed from this list but you can resubscribe yourself again immediately. After receiving the notification that you have been unsubscribed, go to http://lists.cometsite com/mailman/listinfo/bohm_dialogue to subscribe yourself again. If you experience any problems with resubscribing please send a message to dialogue-admin@david-bohm.net The act of resubscribing is taken as acceptance of the new terms. Please, note that the moderator can refuse or revoke your re-subscription at his discretion. The moderator can also put your contributions on "hold" awaiting approval or refusal to be distributed to the list. This is only meant as a kind of "emergency brake". Hopefully, it will never be necessary to do this. administrator don factor , william van-den-heuvel, franis engel read also what don factor has to say about bohm-dialogue and optical dialogue, OD, a while ago then&now

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