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From: donlay at gte.net (Don Lay)
Date: Wed Oct 11 02:09:45 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: Logos
References: <20061008.150530.3912.3.ae.dropper@juno.com>
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Contributing also is the assumption that human thought "progresses,"that we are smarter or wiser now than earlier peoples. -- Pat
In some ways maybe we are much wiser and smarter or sophisticated, even thought we may all die because of nuclear waste, etc. A really bad thing about the 'pollution' is that often there is no awareness of it. we've become used to it. -- Don L
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Contributing also is the assumption that human thought "progresses,"
that we are smarter or wiser now than earlier peoples. Bohm cautioned
about this deep assumption regarding science [and in general].
I think it was in "Wholeness." Maybe I can find it.
Nope.
pat
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:00:42 EDT MarkHarmer@aol.com writes:
Is that because there was a point where science and art split, and the language of measurement and commerce was seen as more "useful" than the language of emotion and affect?
And after all those centuries of physical laws and measurement, we have descovered that the more closely we look(quantum mechanics) the more difficult things become to measure. Quantum mechanics is full of strange and charming language as we start to have to describe what we assume is our physical world in quite abstract, poetic terms again.
Paracelsus is in ?Alchemy & Mysticism?, but not Parmenides. I don?t remember the others in question, but perhaps there is some subconscious feeling that these early thinkers weren?t
?scientific?, therefore we tend to discount them, even fear them. I have seen that happen in other areas of endeavor. k
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From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 12:31:08 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Prepared Improvising
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"k"
> From the introduction by Gunther Schuller to "Improvising Jazz" by Jerry
>Coker.
>
> There are a number of myths bla bla bla
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From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 12:38:49 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: Logos
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>Contributing also is the assumption that human thought "progresses,"that we
>are smarter or wiser now than earlier peoples. -- Pat
>
>In some ways maybe we are much wiser and smarter or sophisticated, even
>thought we may all die because of nuclear waste, etc. A really bad thing
>about the 'pollution' is that often there is no awareness of it. we've
>become used to it. -- Don L
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From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 12:45:14 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: No right brain?
In-Reply-To: <OF312A32FD.7CE81046-ON85257202.0042F423-85257202.0048DC49@dialogos.com>
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http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/surface/sfc_alb.gif
http://www.crocketts.org/genealogy/crockett/graves/Vinalhaven%20Brown's%20Head%20Cemetery%20-%20Young%20Family%20Burial%20Plot.jpg
>Rodger __ Declarative memory is our ability to store and recall information
>that we speak or write. The brain does not store memories in a linear
>manner, it stores memories in neural circuits or networks located through
>out the brain.
>
>When we recall an event, we are actually reconstructing it, data is drawn
>from all around the brain. Our emotional-cognitive functions or 'structure
>of knowledge' from a specific learning event, will include the memory
>patterns of the emotional hormones prominent at the time of learning.
>
>Thus the emotions experienced while learning become part of the learned
>pattern -- even years later, the same emotional hormones will fire on cue
>and our body, brain and feelings automatically respond accordingly.
>
>Until quite recently medical science thought neural cel locations were
>limited to the brain. But neurocardiology has affirmed that each organ has
>its own neural cells.
>The human heart has its own complex neuronal processing and memory
>capabilities, indicating the heart can process information independent of
>CNS/ brain.
>
>The glial cells make up 80 percent of the mass of our brain. Glia was long
>considered the glue that held the neurons in place. But recent discoveries
>reveal glia as electromagnetically sensitive, forming an interactive em
>field in the brain -- over and above the electrochemical fields of neurons.
>
>There are ten or more glia clustered around each neuron. Em-sensitive glia
>select from the electromagnetic surrounding -- in order for em frequencies
>to be translated into electrochemical signals to the neurons—from there
>the
>neural system uses the information to build our world experience.
>
>This may be how we pick up on another persons feelings. Or on a crowded
>street how we intuitively become aware of a stranger who is
>on-our-wave-length.
>
>While each section of the brain focuses on doing its part in working
>together, re: the whole -- the Left Hemisphere is the only section that can
>reach conclusions almost completely independent of real-time sensory input.
>
>i.e. it performs logical reasoning as if separate from the whole --its task
>is not to learn anew, but arrange and rearrange data already processed &
>stored by other sections.
>
>For example, by using an idea of liberation, the Left-Hemisphere of the
>brain can simply find lines of reasoning to justify violation in a way that
>gives the act an appearance of being right -- i.e. Iraq? Thus
>rationalizing any number of conflicting relationships or actions.
>
>ref: Dr. J. Andrew Armour , Roegel JC, Toussaint M, Ehrhart J, Stephan D,
>Imbs JL., Goldberg, J Pearce, - END--_R
>.
>.
>From: Kathryn Arizmendi <tangykatt@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: gender brain difference
>To: <bohm_dialogue@david-bohm.org>
>.
>Hi Rodger  About a year ago I attended a several day series of workshops
>at
>Harvard on this topic. One very outstanding point made was that not only
>are physical movement and emotion part of cognitive processing, but that
>many different parts of the brain are involved in any task. They were very
>careful to debunk the idea of right brain  left brain focus. k
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From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 12:46:24 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: Logos
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>Check out this web site, download the graphic "intervalometers" for your
>favorite musical instruments...
http://unicast.org/mblog/images/blog-photo-1053626723.1-0.jpg-orig.jpg
>then I'll tell you some of what this guy has done with his reverse
>engineered jazz music theories that will blow your mind and make you an
>easier improviser. - Franis
>http://www.mrnatural.net
>
>I’m trying to do that as I search for the patterns, structures, and
>connections in music theory, and apply them to learning to improvise. k
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From: tangykatt at earthlink.net (Kathryn Arizmendi)
Date: Wed Oct 11 14:12:54 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Prepared Improvising
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Good Morning PeterKris -
Too early to get my mind around the images, but it's nice to know you're
alive and well.
Hozhoon k
On 10/10/06 5:33 AM, "kirsten schneide" <kirstenschneide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "k"
>> From the introduction by Gunther Schuller to "Improvising Jazz" by Jerry
>> Coker.
>>
>> There are a number of myths bla bla bla
>
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From tangykatt at earthlink.net Tue Oct 10 13:19:43 2006
From: tangykatt at earthlink.net (Kathryn Arizmendi)
Date: Wed Oct 11 14:17:16 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: No right brain?
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This one makes no sense at all, and Davy Crockett won't open.
k
On 10/10/06 5:47 AM, "kirsten schneide" <kirstenschneide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
> http://www.crocketts.org/genealogy/crockett/graves/Vinalhaven%20Brown's%20Head
> %20Cemetery%20-%20Young%20Family%20Burial%20Plot.jpg
>
>> Rodger __ Declarative memory is our ability to store and recall information
>> that we speak or write. The brain does not store memories in a linear
>> manner, it stores memories in neural circuits or networks located through
>> out the brain.
>>
>> When we recall an event, we are actually reconstructing it, data is drawn
>> from all around the brain. Our emotional-cognitive functions or 'structure
>> of knowledge' from a specific learning event, will include the memory
>> patterns of the emotional hormones prominent at the time of learning.
>>
>> Thus the emotions experienced while learning become part of the learned
>> pattern -- even years later, the same emotional hormones will fire on cue
>> and our body, brain and feelings automatically respond accordingly.
>>
>> Until quite recently medical science thought neural cel locations were
>> limited to the brain. But neurocardiology has affirmed that each organ has
>> its own neural cells.
>> The human heart has its own complex neuronal processing and memory
>> capabilities, indicating the heart can process information independent of
>> CNS/ brain.
>>
>> The glial cells make up 80 percent of the mass of our brain. Glia was long
>> considered the glue that held the neurons in place. But recent discoveries
>> reveal glia as electromagnetically sensitive, forming an interactive em
>> field in the brain -- over and above the electrochemical fields of neurons.
>>
>> There are ten or more glia clustered around each neuron. Em-sensitive glia
>> select from the electromagnetic surrounding -- in order for em frequencies
>> to be translated into electrochemical signals to the neurons???from there
>> the
>> neural system uses the information to build our world experience.
>>
>> This may be how we pick up on another persons feelings. Or on a crowded
>> street how we intuitively become aware of a stranger who is
>> on-our-wave-length.
>>
>> While each section of the brain focuses on doing its part in working
>> together, re: the whole -- the Left Hemisphere is the only section that can
>> reach conclusions almost completely independent of real-time sensory input.
>>
>> i.e. it performs logical reasoning as if separate from the whole --its task
>> is not to learn anew, but arrange and rearrange data already processed &
>> stored by other sections.
>>
>> For example, by using an idea of liberation, the Left-Hemisphere of the
>> brain can simply find lines of reasoning to justify violation in a way that
>> gives the act an appearance of being right -- i.e. Iraq? Thus
>> rationalizing any number of conflicting relationships or actions.
>>
>> ref: Dr. J. Andrew Armour , Roegel JC, Toussaint M, Ehrhart J, Stephan D,
>> Imbs JL., Goldberg, J Pearce, - END--_R
>> .
>> .
>> From: Kathryn Arizmendi <tangykatt@earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: gender brain difference
>> To: <bohm_dialogue@david-bohm.org>
>> .
>> Hi Rodger ?? About a year ago I attended a several day series of workshops
>> at
>> Harvard on this topic. One very outstanding point made was that not only
>> are physical movement and emotion part of cognitive processing, but that
>> many different parts of the brain are involved in any task. They were very
>> careful to debunk the idea of right brain ?? left brain focus. k
>
>
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From: tangykatt at earthlink.net (Kathryn Arizmendi)
Date: Wed Oct 11 15:00:03 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Prepared Improvising
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F1213ECBE6274DE6FDF0B64A8170@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C1510413.3704%tangykatt@earthlink.net>
Sorry, Kris - but I don't get the connection between a couple of workmen up
a tree and acquiring the tools of improv.
Workmen - yes, absolutely. Up a tree, tho? Or did you mean that to be part
of the message? Anyway, the session went very well, thanks to my being able
to use the connection between Bohm's ideas on structure, enfoldment, and the
place of mechanical learning in creative functioning. I was teaching
someone else about structure and we were improvising each step of the way.
Her comment afterwards, "How clear, how easy, and how great - this takes the
insecurity and fear out of winging it. Why isn't music theory taught this
way?"
Interesting to watch one's mind at work. I simply assumed your picture was
going to be some kind of abrasive comment - I guess because of the "bla",
and because you were so angry yesterday. When I put words to the image, I
realized that wasn't necessarily the case.
In Spanish, we say "nadie nacio sabiendo".
bendici?n.
On 10/10/06 5:33 AM, "kirsten schneide" <kirstenschneide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "k"
>> From the introduction by Gunther Schuller to "Improvising Jazz" by Jerry
>> Coker.
>>
>> There are a number of myths bla bla bla
>
>
> http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/images/eximages/communications.jpg
>
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From tangykatt at earthlink.net Tue Oct 10 14:46:16 2006
From: tangykatt at earthlink.net (Kathryn Arizmendi)
Date: Wed Oct 11 15:43:55 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Prepared Improvising
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Out on a limb??????????????
On 10/10/06 5:33 AM, "kirsten schneide" <kirstenschneide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "k"
>> From the introduction by Gunther Schuller to "Improvising Jazz" by Jerry
>> Coker.
>>
>> There are a number of myths bla bla bla
>
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From Rodger.Hyodo at dialogos.com Tue Oct 10 15:06:49 2006
From: Rodger.Hyodo at dialogos.com (Rodger.Hyodo@dialogos.com)
Date: Wed Oct 11 16:04:26 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: No right brain?
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Rodger__hi Kathryn, as you can imagine, not unlike with music, it is
impossible that I would fit much about the brain -rationalizing- into a
paragraph.
Neuro science is a hobby for me, but in 2004, I spent the summer getting
up to date on Neuro science, with the aid of a professional medical
researcher.
You may find the book, Executive Brain by author E Goldberg, informative.
How the brain can overrule your heart, re: conscience and loyalty -- by
using abstract ideas of righ/wrong.
Re: what goes on in a persons brain when they decide to cheat on a partner
- and then later lie to that partner. A common enough practice, but very
wierd rationalizing non-the-less.
Yes, regarding the emotional hormones that were prominent at a time of
learning. Time travel aside, our life lessons are made of what they are
made of - including the times in the past when they the lesson took place.
In this sense, there is no going back.
Meaning of our lesson is what transforms. The meaning changes, grows,
according to the boundaries set by our level of awareness. We grow/ mature,
the boundaries expand -- and the meaning of a lesson, including its
prominent emotion-hormonal content, is seen with completely new
understanding; Like for instance, why it is not a good idea to overrule
our conscience. _R
.
.
From: Kathryn Arizmendi <tangykatt@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: No right brain?
To: <bohm_dialogue@david-bohm.org>
.
I believe the part on emotional hormones is what present therapists and
theorists base their ideas on that certain responses can??t be changed. I
may be wrong.
.
.
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From tangykatt at earthlink.net Tue Oct 10 15:32:01 2006
From: tangykatt at earthlink.net (Kathryn Arizmendi)
Date: Wed Oct 11 16:29:40 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: No right brain?
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Excellent, Rodger. How wonderful you were able to work with a professional
medical researcher. And I will check out the book. Will look forward to
more exchange on neuroscience, if you are willing. Thanks to the great
teacher of education I have mentioned before, I have been interested in it
for some time. I believe it all works into improvisation. The sticking
point here, as I see it, is why are some people able to mature and make new
meaning, while others aren?t. And what is in the contents of the
conscience.
Have a great day! k
On 10/10/06 9:06 AM, "Rodger.Hyodo@dialogos.com" <Rodger.Hyodo@dialogos.com>
wrote:
> Rodger__hi Kathryn, as you can imagine, not unlike with music, it is
> impossible that I would fit much about the brain -rationalizing- into a
> paragraph.
> Neuro science is a hobby for me, but in 2004, I spent the summer getting up
> to date on Neuro science, with the aid of a professional medical researcher.
>
> You may find the book, Executive Brain by author E Goldberg, informative. How
> the brain can overrule your heart, re: conscience and loyalty -- by using
> abstract ideas of righ/wrong.
> Re: what goes on in a persons brain when they decide to cheat on a partner -
> and then later lie to that partner. A common enough practice, but very wierd
> rationalizing non-the-less.
>
> Yes, regarding the emotional hormones that were prominent at a time of
> learning. Time travel aside, our life lessons are made of what they are made
> of - including the times in the past when they the lesson took place. In this
> sense, there is no going back.
>
> Meaning of our lesson is what transforms. The meaning changes, grows,
> according to the boundaries set by our level of awareness. We grow/ mature,
> the boundaries expand -- and the meaning of a lesson, including its prominent
> emotion-hormonal content, is seen with completely new understanding; Like
> for instance, why it is not a good idea to overrule our conscience. _R
> .
> .
> From: Kathryn Arizmendi <tangykatt@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] Subject: No right brain?
> To: <bohm_dialogue@david-bohm.org>
> .
> I believe the part on emotional hormones is what present therapists and
> theorists base their ideas on that certain responses can??t be changed. I
> may be wrong.
> .
> .
>
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From: donlay at gte.net (Don Lay)
Date: Wed Oct 11 16:39:01 2006
Subject: Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] music & assumptions
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When a musician writes,performs music ... do we say they explicate; i.e., the music unfolds from the implicate?
The graphic artist often says although he is present at the easel, somehow 'he' does not do the painting. Rather, it unfolds; i.e., art becomes explicated. Writers sometimes say "they" did not do the work .... Hemingway reread an earlier work, said: did I do that? Ed White (NY Times sports writer) said he went to the typewriter, pecked a bit and thirty minutes later the job was done.
Where does art come from? We say it comes from the person ..., but often they deny it. Maybe it is like the beating heart, breathing lungs and like Bohm says of tas: it's happening right here "in there", but I ain't doing it.
I'm trying to point to all the sub-systems, quantum systems ... neuronal and biological activity that must occur before I even know that I am, before self-consciousness occurs -- quite before persona reference is applicable. It seems to me that so long as we continue talking about the persona instead of instead of the processes, we continue to pollute experience. Reason-ance, logos-ance, ratio-ance? -- Don L
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Interesting idea! And to me it agrees with my earlier thought: surely solo improvisation, recorded (presumably) on ones own, is not dialogue, it's monologue. Unless one's perhaps exploring the dialogue between different elements of one's personality perhaps... - hence why I said group dialogue as opposed to dialogue.
When the musician makes meaning, does she participate and interpret the meaning of the whole for homo-sap -- a partial meaning for a part of the whole?
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From kirstenschneide at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 20:13:21 2006
From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 21:11:23 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] mmmmm a kind ssssense
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This one makes no sense at all, and Davy Crockett won't open.
k
Dear "k"
Didoes 'it' ever cross your mind/body
That rather 'it' not making "sense"
"k" does not (can not?) "make sense"?
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From kirstenschneide at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 20:19:01 2006
From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 21:16:43 2006
Subject: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] "Risky"
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k Excellent, Rodger. How wonderful you were able to work with a
professional medical researcher. And I will check out the book. Will look
forward to more exchange on neuroscience, if you are willing. Thanks to the
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From kirstenschneide at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 20:24:31 2006
From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 21:22:06 2006
Subject: Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] music & assumptions
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Reminds me of http://www.petguard.de/blindenhund.jpg
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>When a musician writes,performs music ... do we say they explicate; i.e.,
>the music unfolds from the implicate?
>
>The graphic artist often says although he is present at the easel, somehow
>'he' does not do the painting. Rather, it unfolds; i.e., art becomes
>explicated. Writers sometimes say "they" did not do the work ....
>Hemingway reread an earlier work, said: did I do that? Ed White (NY Times
>sports writer) said he went to the typewriter, pecked a bit and thirty
>minutes later the job was done.
>
>Where does art come from? We say it comes from the person ..., but often
>they deny it. Maybe it is like the beating heart, breathing lungs and like
>Bohm says of tas: it's happening right here "in there", but I ain't doing
>it.
>
>I'm trying to point to all the sub-systems, quantum systems ... neuronal
>and biological activity that must occur before I even know that I am,
>before self-consciousness occurs -- quite before persona reference is
>applicable. It seems to me that so long as we continue talking about the
>persona instead of instead of the processes, we continue to pollute
>experience. Reason-ance, logos-ance, ratio-ance? -- Don L
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MarkHarmer@aol.com
> To: bohm_dialogue@david-bohm.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Bohm_Dialogue] music & assumptions
>
>
> Interesting idea! And to me it agrees with my earlier thought: surely
>solo improvisation, recorded (presumably) on ones own, is not dialogue,
>it's monologue. Unless one's perhaps exploring the dialogue between
>different elements of one's personality perhaps... - hence why I said group
>dialogue as opposed to dialogue.
> When the musician makes meaning, does she participate and interpret
>the meaning of the whole for homo-sap -- a partial meaning for a part of
>the whole?
>
>
>
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From kirstenschneide at hotmail.com Tue Oct 10 20:36:42 2006
From: kirstenschneide at hotmail.com (kirsten schneide)
Date: Wed Oct 11 21:34:35 2006
Subject: [Bohm_Dialogue] Prepared Improvising
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k > Sorry, Kris - but I don't get the connection between a couple of workmen
up a tree and acquiring the tools of improv..........
Dear "k", those are not "workmen".....
"k" 'gotta' "pay"more"attention"
Love & Alterness, k ris
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